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Global Hackers
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ParadoxTaco
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What does that even mean? Also a perm ban never ends well. Plenty of larger servers have temp bans.
One server has 2 temps before perm. And one temp ban is better then a perm ban.
That is also a great idea that could be added.
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Ida_0611
Trusted Member
jullll
Well-Known Member
Honestly, I think they should have 3 chances. Most likely they'll learn their lesson and stop hacking. They're just noobs wanting to win and have "skill". I get accused of raging noobs and then they rage quit, everyone does, so then they just wanna hack. Infact the other day I saw someone say "I want to hack it looks fun lol" and this wasn't a joke, he wanted to... so he should learn his lesson by hacking... I hate hackers, I believe almost everyone does. But I agree with Trenly and Ida_0611. #DownWithTheHax
A healthy debate about something is always good and helpful as long as respect is kept and no one is rude (Won't give names).
Regarding the discussion, it really interested me what Unitus said: I believe that if we keep the actual system we have BUT with the addition of a mandatory requirement which forces the players to write a first instance of ban appeal in order for their temp ban countdown begins, it may turn out to be slightly more effective when dealing with hackers.
How would this work? When a player gets banned for hacking (This would only be applied for hacking temp bans in a first instance, as for all the punishment reasons it would be nearly impossible to handle the high demand of appeals; having in mind the huge time it takes to answer one), it would be permanently banned and forced to apply at forums in order to get unbanned. Once the player applies and promises it shall never break the rules again, the temporarily ban of 7 days countdown would start, and only once this time has passed then the player would be able to come back to the servers. This would be repeated with the 15 days ban and regarding the third strike, the player would get permanently banned with no option to appeal.
Nevertheless, in order to apply this new system, it would require a huge ton of organization and way more staff members since you may not know but handling ban appeals is a really tedious, stressful, and long job; that requires a huge ton of time, concentration, skills, and administration abilities. Therefore, it may take some time for this to be applied to the network if we decide, with previous approval of the WHOLE Staff team, to switch to this new system...
Regarding the discussion, it really interested me what Unitus said: I believe that if we keep the actual system we have BUT with the addition of a mandatory requirement which forces the players to write a first instance of ban appeal in order for their temp ban countdown begins, it may turn out to be slightly more effective when dealing with hackers.
How would this work? When a player gets banned for hacking (This would only be applied for hacking temp bans in a first instance, as for all the punishment reasons it would be nearly impossible to handle the high demand of appeals; having in mind the huge time it takes to answer one), it would be permanently banned and forced to apply at forums in order to get unbanned. Once the player applies and promises it shall never break the rules again, the temporarily ban of 7 days countdown would start, and only once this time has passed then the player would be able to come back to the servers. This would be repeated with the 15 days ban and regarding the third strike, the player would get permanently banned with no option to appeal.
Nevertheless, in order to apply this new system, it would require a huge ton of organization and way more staff members since you may not know but handling ban appeals is a really tedious, stressful, and long job; that requires a huge ton of time, concentration, skills, and administration abilities. Therefore, it may take some time for this to be applied to the network if we decide, with previous approval of the WHOLE Staff team, to switch to this new system...
It seems you don't understand how our banning and appealing system works. You can't get incorrectly banned thrice since in order to ban someone, all staff is forced to previously gather valid proof about the user's hacks in order to perform the punishment, like in real life. Furthermore, if a staff member makes a mistake which is possible because no one is perfect, when the users makes the appeal, we would review the proof gathered by the Staff member and if it's the case that the proof is invalid and it was just matter of skills (for example), then the user would get immediately unbanned (Without the ban being saved in its records), and the staff member action would be remembered for the future. Hope this clarifies your doubts
Unitus
Retired Staff
Perfection right there, thanks ZainosIt seems you don't understand how our banning and appealing system works. You can't get incorrectly banned thrice since in order to ban someone, all staff is forced to previously gather valid proof about the user's hacks in order to perform the punishment, like in real life. Furthermore, if a staff member makes a mistake which is possible because no one is perfect, when the users makes the appeal, we would review the proof gathered by the Staff member and if it's the case that the proof is invalid and it was just matter of skills (for example), then the user would get immediately unbanned (Without the ban being saved in its records), and the staff member action would be remembered for the future. Hope this clarifies your doubts
andrew louie
Active Member
:/ they know that with there second chance they can fly under the radar and it can start all over, do u not wanna have book and quills!
andrew louie
Active Member
The law states "all suspects are innocent until proven guilty"
And all hackers must be recorded before they are banned
andrew louie
Active Member
What do you mean by recorded?
andrew louie
Active Member
14 DAYS! Bruh, if someone, let's say, curses a whole tone, you don't ban them for 14 DAYZ
I mean that staff take videos of the person hacking
Ida_0611
Trusted Member
Well that's their problem they shouldn't have hacked at the first time
XV_Scorpion_VX
Retired Staff
Well, me and Asplia did come up with a new suggestion on this, but to be honest there really isn't much point putting it up due to the fact that it already seems that the staff don't want more suggestions... Post if you want me to put it up here I suppose.
_Bach_
Retired Staff
No, profanity would result in a mute, not a ban first of all. Secondly, repeat offenses get worse and worse. Speaking of "the law" as you say, most first offense criminals are treated much less severely than say a third offense criminal. (Except say in the instance of murder or something). Our system allows players to think about what they have done wrong and perhaps correct their actions.
They are banned once for hacking, and that should be a wake up call. If they hack again, its 15 days with no HHG. If they hack one more time, three strikes youre out and they are perm banned. if they want they can pay $20 and $40 for the unban fees and spend $60 just to hack on the server (if they are literally idiots xD)
Any player who is banned for hacking has to have been banned via legitimate evidence, whether seen and recorded by staff online or reported by another player. No one is banned by rumor.
andrew louie
Active Member
The reason there are hit and run hackers are because there's no use doing damage to a server over and over if there gonna fix it. Also When Will Throw Items be back on The Creative Server?
Most are hit and run
Some are so unpopular they don't need one
A skilled player you know because they will sooner or later will die, A hacker kills you faster than anyone and never dies no matter how many time you try to kill them
It should be
1. 24Hours
2. 1 Week
3. Perm
That's how my "virtual world" thing did it
If anyone is suspected of hacking, they should Prove that there not hacking
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_Bach_
Retired Staff
andrew louie please keep the thread on topic.
I dont believe this discussion is really going anywhere. Zainos has said what idea he would possibly like to look into, but at this point this thread is not going to change punishment times for bans. As I mentioned 2 weeks ago on this thread, I would say about 4/5 hackers are deterred on the first ban, and another good proportion on the second. Those that may come back for a third round are faced with either a fee or never coming back.
The system as is I think pretty effectively deals with hackers. If they bother you, please report them to an online staff or on forums and we can deal with them way faster and more efficiently. It literally accomplishes nothing to complain about them and then not do anything about them xD
I dont believe this discussion is really going anywhere. Zainos has said what idea he would possibly like to look into, but at this point this thread is not going to change punishment times for bans. As I mentioned 2 weeks ago on this thread, I would say about 4/5 hackers are deterred on the first ban, and another good proportion on the second. Those that may come back for a third round are faced with either a fee or never coming back.
The system as is I think pretty effectively deals with hackers. If they bother you, please report them to an online staff or on forums and we can deal with them way faster and more efficiently. It literally accomplishes nothing to complain about them and then not do anything about them xD
andrew louie
Active Member
Majorconnor10
Well-Known Member
In my opinion, hacking does WAY MORE damage to the server than many things you can get perm banned for. "Using an alternate account to avoid a mute" is perm ban, what bad does that do to the server, lets people talk to their friends after being muted? Even if you were using your brothers account and you were muted and you weren't even using it to talk, just to level up, and you say to one of your friends "I am (blah blah)" you can get perm banned and there is nothing you can do to prove it wrong. It shouldn't be a week, that is nothing, and some hacks can't be proven, if they aren't obvious and can't be 100% sure by a video. You could download some clicking app that makes your clicking faster (my dad has one, you can set it to 1000 clicks per second.) They could set it just to the point where they aren't clicking at impossible speeds but at very fast speeds. This wouldn't be proven. Hacking ruins the server, it makes possible newcomers playing on the server leave if they keep getting killed in PVP or SG or Hitman. If you hack, you should get perm banned. Or AT LEAST 1 month ban first offender then perm ban (unban if pay fee), then after all fees are paid and they still hack, PERMANENT BAN (no exceptions unless proven innocent.) Not many hackers would pay 60$ to stay on a server, they would easily find another. That is my opinion.
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Majorconnor10
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I agree with you 99.99% in this thread.
He isn't being rude just because he is explaining his point with the people who disagree. He is just cutting strait to the chase, no bs. I do that 90% of the time too. And usually, I type huge paragraphs explaining my points.
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